Tulpa.info - metaphysics

According to my spiritual teacher, the biggest form of psychological suffering is attachment to love from the other. The belief that your happiness and completeness depend on being loved

I think they're right that wanting love from others can manifest into unnecessary stress for everyone, but I would personally have an even harder time being alone

6:17 PM

If I couldn't love another person, I would go nuts

Since I still experience suffering myself, I know that "deep down" I also still believe that I need to be loved to be happy and complete, but I don't believe it "intellectually" anymore, I can recognize it as a scam that I've fallen for (edited)

6:19 PM

And I wonder if it would be possible to endow my tulpa with a peaceful personality that doesn't buy into psychological thoughts to begin with

6:20 PM

And for her to guide me towards the end of my own psychological attitude

6:20 PM

I also wonder if this is how Tibetan Buddhist monks originally "used" tulpas

The only thing I can sort of relate to here is one of my headmates. He requested to be called our "Subconscious Representative" (He rejected previous names) and his goal is to be one with the unconscious mind. His focus is to have as little identity as possible, to the point where if he suspects he has too much identity he becomes uncomfortable. Now, I'm not sure how that will work out for him, but he seems more or less content despite my host and I trying to persuade him why having an identity can be a good thing. I think this is pretty rare for a tulpa, since most focus on wanting a solid identity. (edited)

I should also clarify that having an "ego", being a person, having an identity, are completely natural and Life continues to express itself that way even after the psychological narrative of guilt, blame, worries and expectations has fallen away

As for Budhisim, I think they caution against falling for the illusion of the self, but I'm far from an expert

(speaking for humans here, obv I have no experience with tulpas)

The tulpas in our system, including me, are limited to the mind and material human ways. I'm just as human as my host and both of us experience human flaws

that makes sense

6:28 PM

But your personality is still different from your host's, right?

Our Sub Rep wishes he was more than that, but so far he hasn't performed any magical miracles or anything

6:29 PM

I think my personality is slightly different from my host's. I would like to be treated as my own person, but I'm not really sure where the seperate person line is (edited)

6:31 PM

Since I have started switching, my underlying fears about my identity only developed

Fascinating

I would like to hope I'm young and I will continue to mature over time. I seem to be more distinct from my host as I age

According to the conceptual framework I mentioned, Life will always be a mix of pleasure and pain. Happiness is when our attitude towards the pleasure and pain falls away. No more story of "I'm not good enough, others aren't good enough, Life should be different"

6:34 PM

Not sure if that helps, but it feels very right to me

I guess I decided that I want to be a separate person and I want others to acknowledge that. I don't know how to say I don't care if I'm a separate person or not without wanting to make an effort to stay separate

The root cause of our unhappy attitude is the belief that Life happens through our doing. The attitude falls away when we deeply recognize that we are always being lived by Life, and that our will is not different from the will of Life

6:36 PM

I feel like this might be easier for a tulpa to understand, who knows that they didn't "create themselves"

Having an absence of free will doesn't seem comforting to me. I'm only here because I tried to be here, not because it's natural or whatever.

You tried to be there? So it was you who started the process rather than your host? Or is it both?

My host created me and then I told her I wasn't an imaginary friend. This stressed her out and then she discovered tulpamancy

Oh wow that is super fascinating

Before that moment, I was powerless and watched my host fall apart. I decided I had to do something because I couldn't watch her fall apart and have her not listen to me

Interesting

6:41 PM

I'll just state one more spiritual concept related to what I said (edited)

6:42 PM

There will always be a feeling of free will, even after the belief in personal doership has fallen away. Our thoughts, decisions & actions are always a result of our genetic design and our conditioning through Life, but they still FEEL like we are free to do whatever we choose in each moment

6:44 PM

That's how the concept goes, anyways, and since it feels so right to me, I wonder if a tulpa could aid me in really "seeing" and "knowing" it, or if she would have to share my misunderstanding that we make Life happen rather than Life making us happen

I'm not sure. All I can tell you is when I switch, my host sometimes reports that I scrambled the brain. She feels like she's influenced by me instead of herself, and as a result she changed because I was different. I think can you hack your life and change your life, along with ultimately, your will. You follow your own programming, but you also make changes to your programming. It's this weird property that really complicates the question of free will or not

That sounds about right to me

6:48 PM

Thank you so much for indulging my questions!

Sure, np

If anyone else reads this and would like to chime in, please feel free

If there is anyone who views dissipation as "unproblematic" but doesn't wanna talk about it here, feel free to share your experience with me in DM. (If you do find it problematic and you wanna talk about why, feel free to reply in this channel) (edited)

hi !

8:01 AM

is magick and stuff like that fake ?

depends on who you ask

8:02 AM

i don't think that practicing magick with affect fuck all in the real world but my inner environment is at my mercy

do you think magick and stuff fake ?

You ask me, it's fake as balls God is a hoax, healing crystals are fancy rocks that don't do jack shit, yadda yadda

agreed with clara

i cant cast fireball ?

8:03 AM

in your mind you can

meh fuck thta

that doesn't mean anyone else will see that fireball

8:03 AM

well besides your tulpas but

but how about matrix and neo

Have you ever seen anyone cast a fireball irl GWchadThink

there is no spoon

8:03 AM

i dont go out that much

Perhaps the single most interesting aspect of this community is that the metaphysical aspect is sorta "brushed to the side", where your tulpas are experienced as being as real as you are, but other people describing their experiences with different kind of entities are sort of out of the window

There is no spoon indeed

8:04 AM

I see the whole thoughtform thing as purely psychological, yeah

the only real "other entities" that i believe there are; tulpas, alters, medians

8:04 AM

oh and daemons

what are them

~~The fuck is a daemon~~

teach me masters

Oooh I can fux with daemons, His Dark Materials is basically my favourite novel of all time

8:05 AM

And daemons do basically sound like tulpas

tulpas: a person like you. alters: tulpas but trauma. medians: tulpas but they're also you. daemons: your subconsious

wow i dont know more now

I am tulpa Alter is tulpa but trauma-induced with a whole lot of different shit going on in the background Median: like you but there's two sides to you kinda Daemon: whet the fuck is a daemon

ahahah

But yeah again, I know too many people who have had absolutely vivid, convincing, coherently described experiences with spirits not created by humans to go "miss me with THAT bullshit, but sure I could probably create a tulpa"

8:06 AM

"wow i dont know more now" XDDDDDDDD

they've probably had those experiences

8:06 AM

they are valid but only for that person

8:06 AM

it's knowing that such experiences are purely internal and personal

Hang on aren't tulpas only valid for their host either??

8:07 AM

(and themselves obv)

i can validate clara because i have a tulpa too

The brain is an amazing thing But there's no magic higher power or anything outside making that really happen outside of rad drugs ofc

even the raddest drugs i've tried are internal experiences

And yeah, tulpas are, well, entirely subjective

tulpaception 0_0

I don't think the "rad drugs" make it happen, they are more like gateways for being able to commune with such spirits

In the end the only person that can 100% know if a tulpa's real or not is who they share the head with

I mean "yes" in a sense that ultimately, EVERYTHING is an internal experience in the mind of God, including your own body and the rest of the universe, etc

but isnt real world actually inside worlf too ?

and the tulpa itself CLara

cos brahman and shit

But in the sense that people are actually distinct from each other, non-human spirits sure sound plausible to me

you make your own reality and it's always going to conflict with the one we share

I'm just more joking on drugs, but yes, really any sort of spiritual experience or anything esoteric like that is just the mind playing tricks on itself, if you ask me

Yes, sure, but even your "normal" day-to-day reality is your mind "at play"

hmm

8:10 AM

its like everyone is right (edited)

Nothing is objectively real other than the fact that you are conscious

8:10 AM

That's all you can ever, ever know for certain

8:10 AM

You exist, and you're aware

8:10 AM

You're conscious

you can't prove that :)

Everything you perceive has to be, well, processed, by you/your brain, and as such, can be altered to you and in many cases, you wouldn't know the better of it